okay so you are wanting the senate floor right now as the impeachment trial is underway for homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas and borse. we were watching as senator schumer was talking and senate pro tem patty murray. >> there's a lot of arcane person deidre, even you see they're having to read what's, they have been told to say because this doesn't happen all the time and this is impeachment is still rare, although getting more frequent and we have not seen a cabinet secretary impeached in well over 150 years. >> so let's go to michael gerhardt now and michael, just to sum it up, i think we've got

missouri, that objected to that. and now they are i believe taking a roll call on just the premise on which they would be able to move forward. is that correct i think it's just a little different than that. >> if i may say so i think would send her shoe schumer began with was basically calling the republicans bluff he said, if we can get everybody all 100 degree to agree, then we will proceed in the following manner, which would have taken several hours almost immediately. there's an objection from the senator from missouri saying he's going to object. he's not going to agree to that in which case, everything that senator schumer just proposed falls to the wayside and then senator schumer was prepared to move forward with a point of order

point of order is something that is immediately taken up. >> it could supersedes any other pending business an appointment border is is concerned with whether or not the senate understands and is following properly its own rules. so the point of order that senators schumer made was well, in that case we need to vote on whether or not the first article of impeachment made against the secretary is constitutional i think we know where that's going to go. >> i think a majority of the senate will likely vote. it's not constitutional in which case it's to effectively removed or dismissed we have melanie zanona standing by watching all of this unfold on capitol hill, melanie, notably, now that the senate is moving to potentially dismiss at least article one again, secretary mayorkas it may not strictly break down on party lines, right?

>> because there have been republican senators that have come forward and said that they would move to support the either dismissal or tabling the articles of impeachment yeah, that's right in to republicans that we're watching very closely on this vote are mixed romney and lisa murkowski to republicans who have booked their own party for when it comes to matters of impeachment. >> so we are expecting that this effort right now, which is to kill that first articles of impeachment is going to succeed. and the question here is whether rises to the level of an impeachable offense that is something that democrats in some republicans have argued who does not meet that very high bar and very high standard. they said this is more of a policy dispute that republicans are just using as sort of a political punching bag to make their 0.0 the border. but of course you're seeing this all play out on the senate floor right now. a very rare moment we should say to see an impeachment trial of a cabinet official. this is something that has it's not happened in nearly 150 years, so even though we know how this

is going to end, it is not going to result in a conviction based on all over reporting, there is a question of just how quickly they get there and we should note that at the top there, chuck schumer did try to make this unanimous consent request. he tried to get an agreement here that would have set up some florida debates, some speeches, some votes that republicans could have taken on amendments. but a republican senator objected to that. they are pushing for a full trial, something that schumer and democrats have made clear is not going to fly. so we'll have to watch this all play out on the floor. a lot of arcane procedural moments right now, but a big moment here as we've watched them take the vote to hill, this first article, impeachment. >> and melanie, we know you'll be watching that very closely. while this is playing out, let's talk to tim naftali, because tim melanie touched on kind of the historic nature of all of this, and we keep repeating this, but it bears repeating that we haven't seen a cabinet secretary who's been impeached since essentially the civil war era and again, just to remind everyone, this is impeachment is pertains to high

crimes and misdemeanors constitutional experts have said that this case does not meet that. obviously, their voting right now on if it's if it's constitutional or not help us understand the historic nature of all of this and give us some context around what we're watching play out on that senate floor well when the founders were trying to figure out a way to remove a civil officer, including a president dring, their time in office they wondered about what kinds of infractions or abuses would be required. >> what is the threshold for removing someone during the debates? >> they said, well, what about maladministration? >> in other words, bad policies? what if we just, what if the congress does not like the policies of the president or a member of the president's cabinet. and james madison made an impassioned plea

successfully that maladministration is absolutely the wrong standard because you're all going to disagree on what a bad policy is. now they weren't thinking in terms of formal parties. they were just thinking of policy differences. and he said that shouldn't be it and they decided as a group that bad policy or maladministration would not be included among the requirements for impeachment. instead, they chose high crimes and misdemeanors, as well as bribery in treason or high crimes being crimes against the state, not perjury, not cheating on your taxes as they would have understood them in that era? no, no crimes against the constitutional nature of the state and the challenge for the senate now, which if it goes forward with this trial only by the way, historically the 22nd trial in the senate they would be debating something that i'm sure most members of the senate no. doesn't even come close to the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors.

>> there are ways of doing this that would involve a basically convening a special committee of the senate. >> it's been done twice before. in the cases of two judges i'll see hastings and claire born there was a debate over the constitutionality of the what the house had sent over. you have a special committee that meets and then provides a report to the full senate. and you don't necessarily have to have a full senate trial i'm not saying that they're going to do that now, but what's so interesting about our constitutional system is it's really to the senate how it conducts the trial, something may be unprecedented, but that doesn't mean it's unconstitutional. it's up to the senate to decide how they deal with the articles of impeachment center over by the house. they're allowed to be creative we were just talking a moment ago about the issues that house speaker mike johnson is facing trying to get these foreign aid bills passed trying to potentially attach an

immigration bill to those import two acquiesce to the right flank in his base in his conference. >> that is pushing a very aggressive platform on immigration. this senate trial that we're watching is evidence of that walk us through the path forward that mike johnson faces because because because even get into this point was a challenge for him right? >> i mean, first of all, he came out out with three or four different bills he has look he has had a very difficult time because of the narrow margin. he's got this group of freedom caucus members who don't want him to cut any deals on ukraine, on aid to ukraine. and so he's caught and these are some of the same people who want to impeach mayorkas and it is because they are more interested in issues than in governing. and when you become the speaker of the house a part

of you has to say, look, it's my responsibility to govern and this is what mike johnson is saying. this is what some democrats are saying who, who say they might vote with mike johnson even though they don't like him, they'll hold their noses and do it if they have to to get that money for ukraine. and what you're seeing play out in the senate is really about this issue of immigration. i mean, mayorkas is just the vehicle here. but the more republicans can talk about the failures on immigration, the maladministration as it's called, of immigration policy the better it is for them. and the white house understands that. and my orcas has just the vehicle for it, so we see this playing out really in both houses. and also all around the country in, in down-ballot races. and so we know that it's going to be one of the biggest issues heading into this next election. and one of the reasons republicans want this debate on the senate floor is they want people to pay

attention to it they want to draw attention to it. and when you have an impeachment debate on the floor of the senate, people tend to sit up and listen and what chuck schumer is saying is this is unconstitutional and we're not abide by this. >> okay. so what you're watching now on the senate floor is the senate is setting up a vote to kill the first impeachment articles against the homeland security secretary. so we will watch how this unfolds before us. we're going to squeezing a quick break and we'll be right back leg from the nation's capital one of the most unforgettable nights in dc the swatter will read back here as it is, biden and comedian collin joseph headline the white house correspondents dinner live saturday, april 27th at seven eastern on cnn start your day

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chinese still coming into the united states. the president they're obviously trying to strengthen his link to a key part of his base in his bid for reelection being met, they're by protesters outside of the event. we do have some reporters who are monitoring the situation there. we'll get to them and just moments in the meantime, let's take you back to the senate floor. is the impeachment trial of the dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas gets underway. and what we have been watching play out and what we are currently seeing at this moment in time now that all of the senators have been sworn in as jurors, there has been some back-and-forth. they are setting up a vote that would have effectively that would be a vote to effectively kill the first article of impeachment. so we're waiting to see that kind of play out and gloria borger is here with us in studio and gloria as we watch this play out, i'm curious what you think the average american is probably at work

right now, or maybe taking care of their kids or or an aging parent, whatever they're doing today, what do they make of all of this? >> i think i think not much. i think honestly, they've heard an awful lot about immigration policy and mayorkas is not a household name and i think that this is a lot of pump here and once the debate gets going, maybe people will pay more attention to it. but i think in the end there'll be interested in the result, which will be that he will not be impeached and that perhaps it will be the whole issue will be found unconstitutional. i mean, if there were to be a different result, i think you'd have public standing up and paying a little bit more attention but he's not the president of the united states. and i think you know the question you might ask is, well, what does this have to do then? what, how does this boat for any potential impeachment of joe biden, right? we're talking about

mayorkas today and there are people in the house talking about a potential impeachment of joe biden and so far they haven't come up with much to do that either. so this could be just regarded as a performative stunt yeah, a lot more support for impeaching mayorkas among those house republicans and that barely got right where it is right now. >> so it could be an indicator of where things stand with the potential impeachment of president biden. we also have michael gerhardt with us who knows the inner workings of these impeachment proceedings fairly well arguably, among the best minds when it comes to this stuff, michael as we're watching right now, bring us up to speed on what we're waiting for it. there's going to be a vote at some point based on the point of order that majority the leader schumer made regarding the constitutionality of one of these articles of impeachment. one of my questions is, why does this

move so slowly well, it moves slowly, i think to ensure that there's deliberation also, there's the senate has its own unique set of rules for impeachment proceedings. >> and for senators who are institutionalists who care about the integrity of the institution. they want to be sure now, just now, but for the historical record to demonstrate that they are remaining faithful to the rules and processes of the senate. and so senator senator make sure majority leader, who clearly cares about the institution is trying to demonstrate in virtually everything he's doing here sure. that he cares about the integrity of the senate, and he wants to be sure the senate crosses this ties and dots its eyes appropriately. >> the other thing i might just add is something two underscore. >> the political partisan, the partisanship of the attempt to

impeach mayorkas it's a distraction what's going on now as well in new york is a criminal trial of donald trump. and so another motivation for republicans to push the impeachment against mayorkas is to distract from the trial of donald trump nothing but political and partisan reasons for the impeachment of secretary mayorkas. and i think that's yet another reason why senator schumer and the democrats want to cut this off now we're going to see if they're able to do that. in the meantime, let's go to our chief congressional correspondent, manu raju. he is there on capitol hill mano. we understand you're kind of getting a little bit of the behind the scenes. and in these situations, there's a lot of willing and dealing that's going on on that floor as well. what are you learning yeah. >> look, this is part of the nature of the united states senate. this is why it's the world's most deliberative body, because they actually have to agree to a set of procedures on how to move forward here. and that's exactly what we're witnessing here. the reason why the senate

is not moving ahead at this moment is because there are negotiations that are happening about trying to structure a series of votes to allow republicans to make their points on the floor of the senate that would require that would include calling for a full-blown trial, among some other issues, as well. the agreement as you saw before, this led to the situation we're in a bit of a stalemate here is they tried to reach an agreement, but republican objected to it. you just heard senator eric schmidt of missouri come up and said he does not agree to this because part of that time agreement that chuck schumer try to lay down in the senate included a motion to this smith's these charges overall republicans are trying to push back against any effort to dismiss these charges, which forced chuck schumer to say, okay, let's just kill these proceedings altogether will kill this first article, impeachment when he says a point of order and doesn't rise to the constitutionality. that's really just a fancy way of saying, let's kill this first article and be done with it. and then they would move in the medial most after that vote, which would succeed because

they have the votes in the senate to kill that first article, then they would do the same thing in a second vote. so the reason why they're in this position right now, because republicans don't want to end this right now. they want to try to delay this as long as they can. some of them, particularly the ones who are arguing that there needs to be a full blown trial or make their points democrats are not a handling is effectively have essentially stalled action in the senate. so the question is going to be, when they eventually get out of what's known as a quorum call, which is the thing you're seeing right now, or the sentence really doing nothing are then talking behind the scenes. what will they do to set up additional votes? will republicans be satisfied with what chuck schumer's proposing to give them? some votes, will they not be satisfied will lead to this more stalemate. but at the end of the day despite the votes are going to happen, we know the ultimate outcome. i'll hundred mayorkas will not be convicted by this democratic-led senate. only a matter of time is how to get there. but united states senate been united states senate needed all 100 senators to agree on having a vote. and if any one senator has their own idea then that doesn't happen. so that's what's going on right now, guys.

>> know a lot of deliberating going on behind the scenes as monitor describe it. nothing is happening on the floor of the manu, please. standby. we want to go to mj lee, who's live four is at the white house mj. we just a moment ago, updated viewers on the situation outside the headquarters of the us steel workers union were president biden is expected to give remarks this afternoon. he's going to be met by protesters outside, but obviously the white house is watching these impeachment proceedings closely. we know that they've been in close contact with officials over at dhs. do we know of the president is monitoring this directly? >> you there's no question, even as president biden is traveling today, he is going to be kept up to date by his advisors on everything that is going on. >> and that is in keeping with as you just said, boris the white house is close coordination with dhs over the last few months as republicans have attempted did to go down

this impeachment root there is particularly this group of lawyers in the white house counsel's office that deals with all issues related to congressional oversight of the white house that team has been in close contact with lawyers at dhs to make sure that secretary mayorkas and their team of lawyer has the support that they need as they have navigated this incredibly political fraught issue and fight unfolding in washington. and if you've listened over the last few months, the white house is pushed back on all of this has been pretty consistent. they have referred to this as a political stunt. they have said that all of this is completely lacking in arit, that all of this is also a unconstitutional and one of the pieces of political ammunition that the white house feels like a god was when republicans on capitol hill allowed a border policy package that could have gotten by partisan support to essentially fall by the wayside. there argument has

basically been, look, you want to vilify, mayorkas for all of the issues on the border. will you had a chance you actually had a chance to get a package passed and get some policy changes through on capitol hill. but because of republicans and some republicans refusal to get a board, this bill that bill is not something that we were able to get signed into law. so i think they were able to seize on that to make their point that again, all of this in their view is completely political. but as you've been talking about, there's no question that secretary mayorkas has really become, in many ways the face of just the police political fighting, and just the fraught nature of this issue in general republicans have long sought to point the finger at democrats for all of the issues that we have seen on the border. and mayorkas, of course, has come to symbolize that fighting between republicans and democrats but again, as we were talking about before, absolutely it's that

advisors to the president are keeping him posted on everything that is going on today, given the political gravity of all of this mj lee life force at the white house mj, please stand we are following more breaking news out of arizona. >> we're house lawmakers are seeking to repeal a near total ban on abortion that dates back to the civil war. the state supreme court revivim that 18, 60 ish law last week. but going back to the 1860s and several stories natasha can is in phoenix force and hosho, what are you learning? yeah, just in the last few minutes another attempt to bring this repeal bill to the house floor has failed. that's a couple of tenths today to bypass procedural rules because technically a bill has to be heard in a committee before it goes to the full floor. so as of right now, it does not look like this repeal can be considered by the full house. this has been attempted before. if you're asking why it took until right now to try to

appeal a law from the 1800s sees it has been attempted before and also failed to get any traction. so that's where we are. this is happened today because of the state supreme court ruling last week that was an attempt to clarify or harmonize the existing laws and arizona because just a couple of years ago there's on a past a 15th in week abortion ban. and yet you also had this law on the books dating back to the 1860s that outlaws nearly all abortions except in the case of saving the life of the mother. and so that decision can last week was to say that that law holds. and this comes with a potential punishment of two to five years in prison for abortion providers this morning, we saw a lot of people, about 100 people gathered from the right to life group they entered the gallery to try and speak a lot of them told me how much they value life and that they are pro-life. >> and yet when you ask them

details about what they support, whether they support any exceptions since for rape or incest, which this 1860s law does not. >> whether they support prison time for abortion providers. >> you get slightly different answers depending on whom you ask. >> so i think that reflects just how difficult and nuanced this conversation is. in the state of arizona and nationwide because even if 100 people there say they're all pro life, that may mean slightly different exceptions or allowances depending on who it is and so we are monitoring what's happening sitting on the floor now, even if they did bypass procedures to be able to take a vote on the repeal, let's say hypothetically, if the house did repeal that, it would still have to go to the other chamber senate and the senate would have to hear this three times before they take a vote. so we are watching this incremental process. of course in a state where where the republican majority in both chambers is razor thin at the

moment. just a majority of two republicans in both houses, in both house and senate we are also talking about a state that has since it's 2020 gone democratic for the senate races, the gubernatorial race. and so a lot has changed here. this is a dynamic situation. you also have a group of people gathering signatures to try and put an initiative on the november ballot to try to enshrine abortion rights in the state's constitution. a lot of the folks here today in the right to life group told me how seriously they are concerned about that. so that is bound to be another fight in the months to come. >> course, dusko natasha, help us clear this up. there are republican leaders, including former president trump and kari lake, who's now running for senate in arizona that have come out and said that they opposed this law in the case of league, she actually called a great soon after the dobbs decision nevertheless, they now

oppose this law so why are republicans in the legislature now blockingebate on a repeal that is an excellent question. >> i think it's going depend on the area that those repuicans represent. in fact, one state reesentave who is a republican represents maricopa county in a very tight rais and he ise has come out to say that he believes that e repeal should be considered and me of the attempts that we saw today, at ast the very first vote to bypass procedures was tied 30, 30. they're 31 republicans, 29 democrats. so it is extremely tight. you have certain republicans in those swing districts who are very interested in appealing to their constituents and then others who are very hard line about this so i think you're looking at, as we mentioned, a very dynamic arizona a very purple state where we're going

to see a lot of this play out in the november election yeah there's no doubt about that, and tasha can force in phoenix. thank you so much for that reporting and we're going to stay on that story. and also, what's happening on the senate floor, right now looking life, stay with cnn news central. we'll be right back every weekday morning. >> cnn's five things has what you need to get going with your day the five essential stories of the morning in five minutes or less cnn's five things with kate bolduan streaming weekdays, exclusively on macs thinking i'm thinking about her honeymoon, but about africa so far hot air balloon ride, swim with elephants 3-4 to safari. >> great question. like everything takes a little planning for what the mind towards a down payment on a ranch. in montana with horses. >> let's take a look at those scenarios jpmorgan wealth management has advisors and chase branches and tools like

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of the department of homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas gets underway. >> and so we are seeing this all play out, this very historic moment. how it hasn't happened since around the civil war era. and we have a number of guests with us as we watch this play out. but i want to go to michael gerhardt first because michael we saw schumer moving to essentially kill this first article of impeachment, calling it unconstitutional. what are we seeing happen right now? i think what we're seeing is senators schumer, maybe putting forth arguments on behalf of that. >> there may be some debate about that point of order, but eventually, of course that debate will cease and there'll be a vote and this is just, there is a lot of arcane policy that goes into one of these impeachment trials, right? yes.

you really have to understand the rules of both the senate rules for impeachment and the senate rules more generally. and that is the job primarily of the majority leader and minority leader. but for senator schumer, he obviously understands them really well. and he's being really careful to try and navigate through those rules to get to the outcome that he wants and it may sound a bit technical and even perhaps boring, but in fact, act they're talking about something that's quite significant and that is whether or not to stop any further consideration of these articles and to begin a process to kill each one of them tim naftali is also with us. >> he's a presidential historian and tim i'm curious to get your perspective on what we're watching unfold and why you think it is so important

for republicans like senator schmidt of missouri to have this time to debate and to take a megaphone to their belief that mayorkas should be impeached. >> or rather convicted well, as we seen, play out over the last over the course of the last year and some the republican caucus is broken on capitol hill and senate republicans are trying to work with house republicans to get basic bills passed for example aid to ukraine, aid to israel, and spending for border control. so they're part of this is just institutional respect part of it is also party building there's a sense that the centers don't want to barris

fellow republicans from the house so the challenge for these senators is how do you pay respect to their grievances? without forcing the senate to delay work on other priorities for a trial that everybody in the senate knows will result in an equivalent just to remind everybody and kind of set the scene right now right now, the senators are on the floor trying to figure out how to move forward because the senate majority leader, chuck schumer presented some options senator eric schmidt from missouri objected to it, and now that we know that some republicans did want that agreement because they want their time to seek amendments. they want their time to talk on the floor. they want to present their arguments. they want the debate. but right now, they're trying to figure out how to do that. because in the senate, everyone has to agree on the plan to move forward. and right now, they don't have that total agreement. so as manu raju, our chief congressional correspondent, told us just a few, a few moments ago right

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did expect some of this to happen. essentially what ted cruz is arguing here, that there should not be quickly dismissed as a senate. democrats are prepared to do, and what this motion actually would do to actually allow this debate to happen in closed session. he said that actually needs to be a debate over whether or not alejandro mayorkas must be convicted on a high crimes and misdemeanor here. but the democrats won to do with this. they think this is all political. they don't believe that this rises to the level of impeachment. they believe this is simply a policy dispute over the border and republicans are going after mayorkas as unfairly. so that's why you're going to see here on the senate floor this to come down mostly along party lines will be interesting to see if any republicans or democrats to affect in any way. but we do expect ms 51, 49 democratic control center essentially quash this. ted cruz effort and they'll try to move on and something else will be another thing to watch is what happens after this. because chuck schumer is trying to essentially end this proceeding he offered them in agreement coming into this

saying google, give you a handful of votes on whatever issues you want to push, including calls for a full-blown trial, republicans didn't want that. there were some that objected to it because they didn't want to be party to an agreement that included the end of it a dismissal of all these charges. so instead they're just kinda kinda fuel that away until eventually getting to chuck schumer's motion. so this is a an opportunity for republicans if they want to come forward after this offer their own points of order tried to make their own political points on the floor, but democrats are ready to beat back every single one of these motions. we'll see how many there are ultimately are on the republican side. but as you heard from chuck schumer, he said, we are moving forward, meaning that they're going to vote eventually kill these two articles of impeachment whenever they get a chance to do it. >> and mano, before we let you go, i just want to underscore what we're hearing you say, which is as we move forward and we watched this unfold before us, we don't know exactly how we're gonna get to that eventual ending that we are pretty sure about. they don't have some grand agreement to get there. they're gonna kinda

have to feel their way through it. is that what you're saying? >> yeah. yeah absolutely. >> because that's just the way this process works. there are no real there are whether the procedures on how a senate trial can operate. there really are no rules. there are no nothing hard and fast saying they must do this, they must do this, they must do this in fact, they have to agree upon themselves on what the rules are and they haven't been able to reach an agreement on what those rules are, what amendments, and what points of orders and what can be voted on. and the light, which is why it's a little bit uncertain. we're in a bit of it's kind of funny we'll see if any members decide to have their own votes unless they actually reach a time agreement which all 100 senators can agree on, lock it down and they say, okay, we're gonna vote on this debate. this debate, this, then we'll get to the final vote. but they're not there yet. as you can see, given just the divisions in the senate over this issue, over this impeachment proceeding. so that's why but uncertain territory. it could be accompanied 20 minutes, it could be a few hours, so we'll just have to see how covering the us in it. no one knows that

better than manuel. >> okay. thanks so much better. keep a popcorn handy. >> we don't know when it's going to end glory i mean, it was very clear that chuck schumer said, look, i gave you guys the opportunity here. i laid it out at the beginning. i gave you debate time and you decided not to take it and so we're going to proceed now. it's going to be a circuitous route as ted cruz sort of laid out and everything is circuitous when it comes to the senate. but you know where you're going to wind up. you're going to wind up with him, not a conviction. right. so you know, but but as mohn who says, there gotta be a lot of iterations here because the republicans are not going to give up that easily and are probably going to want to raise more more points, more questions were points of water, whatever you want to call it. but schumer was adamant and said we gave you an opportunity and you decided not to take it and we're moving ahead. >> and i'm watching this

unfolded and his mano. so el-hussein, 20 minutes, it could be ours. we don't know. right. but gloria, you know this that senate floor time is so valuable and if you're the democrats and you're the senate majority leader, chuck schumer. >> they want to move on, judges and all these other nominees and in this eats up a fair amount of time. so don't forget, they're trapped in there you've got, you've got all the senators in their and they can't really leave, right? >> and they can't do other business, right? and so that may work on the side of the getting this over sooner rather than later because they are trapped in there. but, you know, i don't think republicans are going to want to give up that easily. >> at last check we were in he ours during the roll-call vote. i'm not sure where we're still waiting for the tabulation. we do have michael gerhardt with us. michael, your view of this vote that's being taken, right now one thing to keep in mind is that it's a

point of order and according to the senate rules a point of order is not debatable. >> that's why you saw the chair, the presiding officer, senator murray, sort of caution senator cruz basically. okay. stop debating stop me. sort of engaging in a long speech and one arguable advantage of a point of order is it cuts off debate and then it goes straight to a vote. so that's, so right now, we're having to vote on senator cruises point of order right after that. we don't know if the presiding officer may go right back to senator schumer, who may make another point of order but we're going to have this sort of process now with one or the other side trying to make points of order. but keep in mind a point of order is not debatable. so the votes will happen pretty quickly. >> yeah that will be as mani was just telling us, there's no hard and fast rules here it kind of can veer and swerve. and so we'll have to, we're just kind of seeing how this

all unfolds. tim, natalia, i think you're still with us. again, just kind of putting into context for us you don't impeachment was always used pretty rarely. and we've seen we've seen it happening more frequently does this kind of present to you if you look at it through the lens of republicans trying to avenge president trump being impeached twice. >> do you see shades of that in this is this just an argument about policy that has now been elevated to the impeachment level. >> well impeachment has been used or was once used rarely against executive officers. in other words, against presidents and against members of the cabinet as we've said, a number of times, the only other member of a cabinet to but would be subjected to a senate trial. >> was william belknap in 18, 76 and he was sorry to interrupt. >> you. were just going to

listen and really quick to senator patty murray here. >> expression it having heard shutter shimmer serious allegations which in my judgment or specious about the constitutionality of these impeachment proceedings, we find ourselves in the awkward position. because we're in impeachment proceedings of being able unable to discuss in public the merits. so the senator schumer's claim and at the same time my democratic friends have refused to go into closed session, so we can discuss that reason, madam president, i move. we adjourn this court of impeachment impeachment immediately until 12:00 noon on tuesday, april 30, and i asked for the yeas and nase. is there a sufficient

2nd there is a sufficient 2nd. the clerk will call their own his baldwin mr. barrasso mr... bennett. >> all right. so you're now watching the senate floor that was senator john kennedy from louisiana, who his motion to adjourn let's go now to cnn congressional correspondent manu raju, who is watching this on for all before us. he wants to adjourn until april 30th. manu i got lost my audio there here. jessica, but i believe you were asking me about what just happened here on the senate floor, but this vote would just went down. >> as i said earlier, that this can essentially anything can essentially happen. remember, can go go up and have their own point of order. i can try to have them make their own political point of florida. that's essentially what senator john county just did, right there trying to make a motion to actually adjourn this

chamber until april 30th essentially, say trying to express his opposition to the efforts by democrats. essentially kill these articles of impeachment when outright. and this is going to almost certainly fail again, just like we saw that ted cruz have her failed to actually move it to a close session and to debate the proceedings, are trying to make the argument here that democrats don't actually want to have a serious debate about the border, about the problems at the border, about the charges that they're making against alejandro mayorkas. that's the argument that republicans are trying to make by these vote after vote will see if there are any other ones afterwards. there are possible there other people that will come up and they'll try to force make their own political points. they have the right to do that, which is why we don't know how long this ultimately will take. it was interesting in that first vote. it went down 51, 49 along straight-party lines, but there were some questions about how some of the other members because we may come down here in particular, some of the more moderate members on the republican side of the aisle, people have been critical of these proceedings like lisa murkowski of alaska for one, the republican has been super

very critical of house republicans pushing ahead. on this. but she seemed to agree with the idea of going into a debate. we'll see if others republic i'm against joining and that quiet the question of adjourning this as well as was moderate swing state democrat. they said they align themselves with the democratic position on this, essentially shutting down ted cruz's effort will see they shut down this effort to adjourn the chamber as well. but that's one thing republicans are hoping. there's ultimately that this leads to some ammunition they could use against those vulnerable democrats from states like ohio, montana, nevada, pennsylvania and the like. they believe that this could work for them politically. we'll see if it ultimately does, but that's part of all this driving. some of the strategy here. but as we said, this is, we'll save this is the end of it, and we'll see republicans will come mlb after this vote, which is expected to fail and try to press ahead with their own political points and argue that democrats are hundred squelch what they consider very serious proceedings that should be heard on the floor of the

senate the beginnings of a point of order polluter. it appears that we are watching on the floor of the senate. i quickly want to go to michael gerhardt because michael, as manu noted, that this is sort of a free for all. and after this, as we expect, gets shot down, there may be another point of order and then another one after that one of the points that senator kennedy made that i think echoed what senator cruz said before him was that some republicans feel they are unable to discuss the merits of this case in public. they want a closed session to do that. what would the advantage of that be? >> well, typically at some point in a senate impeachment trial, and after evidence has been submitted an arguments have been made. the senators will go into a closed session in which there'll be very frank with each other and make extensive arguments in favor of or against conviction but i think that senator kennedy's point is probably not well

because what he wants is not something that typically happens at this stage instead, at this stage, what happens is almost exactly what we're seeing points of order are going to supersede any other motion or that's made in this process and so instead, center kenny tried to sneak in a little speech and, you could hear the chair presiding officer kind of hit the gavel pretty quickly my guess she's going to try and cut off speeches as quickly as she can to move these votes along. >> it appears as though the vote has wrapped up. i believe they're verifying the count now can we listen in and see where things stand? there is no sound from the floor of the senate on senator kennedy's

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